MikeJ, "Hey Ron, if you think that those guys only understand Poser, and do not understand how to teach...well, then you simply haven't been paying attention. Jaager will tell you exactly everything you need to know (if you ask nicely, I assume), and sharkey has created one of the best Lightwave rendering tutorials in existence. Yes. These guys know their shit, to be sure, but they are not unapproachable." I'm speaking from my own experience. It took a few days or weeks of going back and forth between Jaager and Gaz to get a handle on Crosstalk. The final key was a few ICQ sessions where Gaz and I worked together on one of my characters. I was unable to get any further followup. I waited a few weeks or a month and recreated what I had learned. Then I made the tutorial that I now provide. (I give Gaz and Jaager complete credit for teaching this method.) "Maybe, for a minute, Ron, consider that this shit isn't here for you exclusively Or, rather, that if you can't hang and learn, you're screwed. Just like in real life, you know?" If I felt that way, I wouldn't bother to spend my own time and energy helping others. And I wouldn't have bothered to comment in this thread. "It's funny dude... you really are the first person I ever have seen getting upset when TOO MUCH information was given. Most people will complain about too little, generally....." Again, you missed the point. I was saying that sometimes those who have the greater knowledge lack the ability to understand that others are not at the same level. They lack the ability to explain to the "Poser impaired," the true newbie who has difficulties understanding the subject. By the way I've seen many Poser tutorials that leave me scratching my head and wondering if these people even read their own work. But we'll save that for another time. Ron