I only mean good intentions won't do it, clear rules will. But, as you and I both know, clear rules are impossible, particularly when it comes to matters of morality. What's perfectly acceptable to me may be wildly out of bounds for you, and vice versa. It makes it all terribly subjective and therefore impossible to rein in, no matter if both you and I look at it and go, "Now wait a minute here!". And so what do we get? These "borderline" cases, which IMHO serve no purpose except to get someone's jollies off on a Saturday night. Oh, and yeah, it's "art" -- can't forget that, right? :) It's just the way of the world, I guess. Over 35? Don't look like a supermodel? Lady, forget now about marriage. Not hung to your knees? No cleft chin? Bud, better stay home Saturday night. What a pathetic way to have our society enframed. And yes -- based not just on our dear Poser gallery but things reflective of society in general these days -- that's how it is. Logan's Run does indeed live. One other note to the "I'm only celebrating the human body, like the Great Masters did!" artists. Take a look at DaVinci's notebooks sometimes and tell me how many nubile young things he drew in his studies. Then look at the amazing range of humanity he did capture. Same with Raphael. Same with Michaelangelo. Even the Greeks, who idealized the human form in their art, gave it variety and personality and style. These guys all figured out early on that there was more to the human figure than DD boobs.