VirtualSite-- DaVinci and Michaelangelo weren't overly interested in the double D variety so perhaps that isn't the best example.:))) I do respectfully disagree that clear rules are impossible. People will break them, but at least then they know they're doing so and can be told that is happening. They will also disagree with them, but as far as I know nobody's got an inalienable right to post at Renderosity. I still submit that it's the hidden unspoken rules that get you every time. Now, the other problem is being the mouse who'll bell the cat. Who wants to step up and be the "prude" who lays down the law? You see, until there is a clear rule-- all we can voice concerning teen nudity is "opinions." We all know who has those and what else they have in common. I can't believe I'm arguing for censorship. Yeah, I can, cause I don't want to be the ugly test case. Emily