i've been looking around and i'm not sure about rhino but i've heard lottsa horror stories about how complicated max can be (not to meantion the price. rhino has a demo as does maya) i think light wave has the best press and im most impressed with lightwave. i hear its hard to learnthough. but my god those prices. still metacreations was 200 dollaring me to death for partial functionality. it may be worth the 1500 d to not have to buy more and more and more and still not be satisfied. but as alot of the characters in the old "demon's gate" game say "I dunno - I just guard here .."