THANK YOU ! Wow.....so that's how you do that?! Now that I see how that initial graph thingee works, I can recall seeing one like it in one of the programs I downloaded (now to figure out which one it was!#!!) but didn't understand at all when it popped up on the screen..... Hope I didn't hit delete! The blending of layers I still can't grasp, even with examples right in front of my nose....sigh. AristaProductionLab steered me to a really great program called 'Phoenix' that just may turn out to be capable of doing some of the stuff you do above....now all I need is a couple of clones of myself to free up some time..... =:^) ( One clone, call her PoserPat, could deal with learning that impossibly complicated app., another could keep improving my Bryce skills and learn Vue, one could work on Photoshop.......And meanwhile, back at the ranch, the alpha Pat (me) could fractalize to her heart's content........ Oh--and I'd need one to do the garden and yard and housework)