how about we take patricia's suggestion Micheleh and turn this thread into a tutorial page of some sort for our forum? If that's not possible I can put it on cyberwizards unless someone else wants to donate space and then post a link. (i dont have high speed either, just regular dial up. get about 48k or so max) in answer to the layering question patricia, ultrafractal is partialy a paint program. so i can do all the post productions work i'd have to do in photoshop right in uf. but for any other fractal program, yea, you'd have to create several different individual fractals, take them all into photoshop, or paintshop or some other paint program and combine them there.