I have a terrible headache so forgive me if this is grumpy sounding. Bongo, and all others who a. thought this was a bad idea or b. tried to make it harder than it was supposed to be: It was just supposed to be "Import the obj with textures" Center OBJ for a bust pic and hit render. Everything else should be defaulty. This would've resulted in about 8 renders of the same subject with different rendering engines. The theme: Poser to X. That is as hard is it had to be. Not complicated. Not biased. On the other hand, if the rep for a program felt that he/she could get better results by tweaking the lighting or other such program specific thingy, then GREAT. Show us what it can do to make our poser models look like they did before we exported them (or better for that matter). I just dont understand why people didn't get this. And Bongo, it has nothing to do with who/what is most popular, it's all about the final product. What "Looks" best, which would be in the eye of the beholder of the final comparisons. It would be up to the individual to determine who is the winner for themselves and buy accordingly. Don't worry, some people would choose your precious Vue3 I'm sure. Chandler for the guys and Monica for the gals. The Beatles. If you want an outdoors test, suggest one. -Darth_Logice