Vile yea i read everything 1st then resized the pic. at 1st i used a gif & thought that was it then i saw all the thumbnails were jpegs so i changed it to a jpeg still nuttin. maybe its my puter? ill try again. but thanx for the info. i would just like the pic to show cause i hate it when i go thru renderosity & the pics dont load. just want people to see what theyre are downloadin.