Since the thread has began branching out to T&A, I am compelled to "jump" in again with comments. I'm sure they won't be as elequent as many others I have read (sure wish I had the writing talent they do...grin). Everyone has made good points all around. Hence the good debate. Now, I'm crtainly not artistically gifted. I haven't even had time lately to add to my 2-pic gallery. But, I certainly keep buying things and intending to...grin. But when hear (read) that the "team" is looking at possibly changing the TOS as it relates to nudity, it bothers me. I purchased Poser (et al) to do something I can't do easily in the real world in photography...and that is to have a model that I can use as nude as I want to. Certainly, I've taken enough photos of my wife...hehe. I don't think my renders are (and neither will they be) what I would consider gratuitous T&A. But I get worried stuff like that won't be allowed if the frenzy get too fevered. As far as T&A goes, Boris, Frank, and others have concentrated on that topic and their work is sold mainstream and, as far as I know, appreciated. Should some of you be writing them letters and complaining their work is nothing but T&A? Pin-ups have also been around for ages. If we want to get in the gutter, California is the biggest legal producer of triple-x rated videos in the world. Note I said legal. If none of the above interest you, then I suppose you don't bother purchasing any of them. As someone else above said, turning nudity off is a good idea if you don't like it or think there is too much of it in the galleries. What I DO get upset about is people who DON'T want to view those kinds of things feeling some sort of need to make sure that that no one else gets to view it either. Having spent nearly 10 years in other parts of the world, I may have a different, perhaps (if I may be so bold), viewpoint of nudity than other people who are more, hmmmm, born-and-raised American. Which brings me, sort of, back to the original topic. When visiting FKK places in Germany, or other such nude beaches in Holland, Belgium, Denmark, and Sweeden, I saw all ages of people enjoying the sun and water. Families completely nude. While, I must admit to looking at 14-year-old girls and marveling at how they were turning into a woman, my overwhelming thought was how really cool it was that a family could do something like that and think nothing of it. I wished the US was more that way. Or the people IN the US. (one fond memory I have is talking to a group of (late) teenagers in Holland for some directions and one of the girls asking if she could get in the back of the van and change to dry clothes out of her bathing suit. I didn't look in the rear-view mirror for a peak, instead I marveled at how some one could hop into a stranger's car and change clothes like it was nothing!) The topic goes deep. Nudity, sexuality, etc. Arguments abound about how it leads to rape, etc. But I believe every European country has less per capita rape stats than we do in America. Discussions about how it leads to the objectification of females and belittles them. Fat -vs- thin (and anarexia...sp?). And, of course, child pornography and abuse. I don't know that it can ever be done, but I don't believe the answer is to "curb" or ban explicit nudity. IMHO, the answer lies in getting people to understand, for example, a woman can be beautiful and sexy and still be the best mystery writer (etc) around. I looked at Leomax's gallery. I didn't really find much wrong with it. The statue pic, tho the girls pictured are "older" than my daughter, reminded me of the time she first noticed a difference between herself and her brothers. And, naturally asked about it. I took that completely as curious innocence. And I considered that when I viewed the "statue" pic as well. Other pics of his seemed to convey "messages" that I thought were well within reason...not a one of them catering to any prurient part of me. I especially liked the one from the future. I suppose my comment will be unpopular. But the thread has be civil so far and I can certainly take constructive disagreement. I guess I have rambled long enough...hehe.