I don't know what the hell you just said ;-/, hehe. BUT, it seems to me that no post work, means no post work and that should include "compositing" in post to create a depth of field effect. What's to stop someone from "touching up" these layers, in fact the act of blurring the background layer should be considered post work in itself. So you don't have Bryce5, too bad. Not everyone rendering in Bryce5 is going to do a depth of field effect, so why give special favor to Bryce4 users? It just seems like we are making too many exceptions because of an upgrade. Importing textures and bump maps into Bryce is not post work, because it happens before the render. Allowing folks to chop up their image into layers is blatant post work. Let's not dilute this challenge too. I don't want to bring up last months challenge again, but we're getting a similar pattern. Last month Bryce5 users submitted all metaball work because that was the main theme of the contest. That theme was amended to allow Bryce4 users to enter with booleans as opposed to metaballs. Apples and Oranges IMHO. No offense or sour grapes intended Humorix, your image was gorgeous, no doubt about it. BUT, had the challenge been booleans for all the results might have been different. Metaballs are still fairly new to us Bryce users, and while many of us are old hands with booleans, Metaballs present a whole different set of challenges to create something presentable. The main challenge being Metaballs, that's what Bryce5 users did, while Bryce4 users got to take the "relatively easy" route with booleans. In that case it's really not a fair contest because you are working with two completely different objects. Which is why we should have had two winners, one for Metaballs and one for Booleans, but that is water under the bridge. I think the rules for this challenge were already defined and redefined. Let's not keep changing them past the 12th hour. No post work means NO POST WORK. Let's not handicap or penalize the Bryce5 users again...please. ;-)