haha ikyoto, that's an interesting way of putting it =) I love that look in manga how you will get these giant scary....cute....things =) Phil: I'm having trouble uploading to my webspace, it keeps dropping me, got 10% done this time, but I bet it'll drop again and I'll have to start uploading from scratch sigh davo: yeah aren't they? I could cheat with this and turn off bending for the body parts, which made the job a whole lot easier, but even so...setting up the parameters for each leg? aaargh I had those black faces, couldn't solve it, and ended up exporting the original geometries from max again but all's well that ends well =) glad you guys like it, thanks =)