You really should check out the Evo1 model tho. It fixes several "rough spots" in the Poser4 Woman. The thighs bend forward without that annoying "pleating" at the inner buttock, the shoulders move more realistically too. BTW, Kisiel's license is fairly simple too... Not for sale or distribution without his permission (which is illegal anyway) but that's it. If you'll look at Tim's credits for "Brown skinned girl" (I think that's the name - it DL's with some weird numbered filename) Kisiel is credited with part of the skin [The eyes look like they came from Anton's "Shauna" texture, one of my favorites -- I have a thing for exotic women ;) ]