Yep bloodsong_ looks like Steve was a bit heavy handed with his smoothing iron :) Its funny this inverted normals thing_although my model exports fine now and when rendered you cant see the problematic facets_they are there! The strange thing is when I imported the model in to Cinema 4d (which in facet view mode show the normals as sticky-out-things) they all seem to be pointing the same way. Ah well I suppose the moto is "If it works don't try and fix it"