I find that Vue has one diffence (I'm an ex-user of Bryce): when I see a picture made with Bryce, I'm sure at 90 % that it is a Bryce picture : when I see certain vue picture that's not true : the possibilities of vue are larger than Bryce, because textures are better and object import too. (And animation, try simple animation with blur and see) But I think the problem is : what do we do with the softs? Most Bryce users do what other Bryce users have done already (it has always been a Metacreation problem). In contrary Vue users are exploring possibilities for now and if you go to the vue gallery of this site or on e-on gallery/ picture of the day, or on artomania, you'll understand what I mean. To finish with that mail, I'll say that one soft doesn't make all. My picture personnaly are made with 3 softs (sometimes 4) : cinema 4D, Vue d'Esprit, Paint shop Pro, and sometimes Poser 3. So why not take the better of Bryce and the better of Vue to get better pictures? Bye, Xav