If its a joke, it a real bad one. The people at e-on or many pro Vue user of the European community may not fine this funny. I am sure there are more user then we think there is now. We cannot estimate the number of user by the forum or Vue site we visit. I believe most do not communicate well in English. I have Italian friends here in the Asia and their English is real bad both wriiten and spoken. But this people are very creative with their graphics program. Its fine with me what he 'jokes' and I don't quite care how he feels about Vue. You don't have the program, you can't comment much or should even judge it. This goes for anyone, especially the Bryce user who things Bryce is all thing. Wait till you joint the Terragen list (I'm a member) and you know how good it is. I would recommend Bryce user to look at the artwork those hardcore Terragen has created...they just blown me away and I never think of Bryce at that time. I say, bad joke is no joke. Bill