The time and effort and S.E.C.(someone elses copyright) issues probably dictate that you will end up creating your own in photoshop,coral texture creator etc. I have looked for years for good textures and always end up making my own. looking is a good way to get ideas on how to do it. (oh god i just heard on the radio it's the evil one's birthday.) hey, if i run across something ... -o.k. BYE