Guesstimate is good with me, Thanks AgentSmith! I plan to render that huge with soft lights, but that's going to take in the neighborhood of 6 days, so I'm still working small in the proofing stages. (it still takes 8+ hours with the transparent drapes, and those waves aren't easy on the processor either) I'll res that texture map way up then. I wasn't sure how high to go, but 3000 sounds like a good place to start. Thanks again.