Sounds like the same old story: Some times ago it was Mac versus IBM-PC, some time later came 3D-Studio versus Lightwave and now it seems Bryce versus Vue... People never learn. But one thing: Xav, I am just glad other people got the same problems I got. In Germany the "professionals" not only smile at you if you are not using 3D-Studio, the sneer and laugh at you. Just consider those guys as what they are: inflexible... Lanover