Dear Roshigoth & Tempest, Please do not think I have not attempted to respond to your e-mail. I have posted the map, and a castle file twice, about 9 mininutes of downloading each time (the castle file is made using material presets even for the mote water). I thought this would prove the usability of this greyscale map in Bryce4 despite Metacreations claim that anything from B1 will not prove usable in B4. If I recall correctly, this map was created by Andrew Wallerstein...Credit should always be given, even for old maps from not so great memories. Peace to all, Becky