You're right orn4rk, my non gamma is darker but my gamma image isn't washed out like the other two. I remember back before they had Gamma correction (Bryce2 & 3D) my images would look okay on my monitor, but very dark on my friends PC. I guess that's why. I could be wrong, but I think render time is pretty consistant from render to render. I can't explain why my gamma on render took longer, hmmm.....It just gets curiouser and curiouser. ;-)