Wow what a response... Thanks everyone.. I'll try to answer some questions. dkirk: yes this is B5, but the only thing ( for this image ) B5 has over B4 is the tree generator, and premium effects. If you need some trees here's some mesh trees set up as B4 obp files. http://stevesartgallery.bryce-alive.net/downloads/bryce/obj/obj.html If you need premium render effects ...better get B5...lol cambert: it's not a gamma issue, it's just plan to dark, if the sun was a little lower ( behind the mountains ) then the dark foreground would be correct. bikermouse: to tell the truth, I don't know...cause I'm a Florida boy and I don't see a lot of mountains...so I'm just going by what's in my head. But hey... I can tell you about swamp land...lol Thanks John... that's a really nice complement and I appreciate it. Flak : good point, the mountains probably should be further back the scaled larger, that would probably work better than increasing the haze. ariannah: thanks, I tried doing a big waterfall about a year ago, ( what a disaster ) but now I'm thinking of giving another try in the near future. Tiejasdyn: For the grass I duplicated the terrain, raised the resolution then painted the spike effect in the TE. mboncher: I agree it's little details that really make an image. I've been Bryceing for 3 years now, and with every picture I try to learn something new. ( I'm hopping that's the secret to success. lol ) With this image I learned a bunch of short cuts and tricks in the TE. I posted them here earlier this week. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=107&Form.ShowMessage=670621 Aldaron: I should have tried to put some water ripples at the waterfall. I used one water object for the stream, and just let the water material fall where it may.

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