I tried Anim8oronce- I crashed it. ;] I have Poseay, I like it. I do not want to convert to POV, though. I hate dealing with native pov. I need to "see" what I'm doing. As for bryce- I can't spend that kind of money for one task- I wish I could! Hi, Gabriel! Isn't eh a wonderful charachter? I wrote Mychelle, the other creator, and asked if they could do more like that- he needs an old lady! What I could do about the shoulders is to increase everything else exponentially to make the shoulders look smaller by comparison, and scale down slightly- thanks for the idea. Still need to smooth the bloody thing! ;]