MacAfee failed me, Norton saved me. I thought I was done for the last time this happened-- all three puters caught it, two almost terminally, one was at bluescreen. Norton got rid of it and it updates when you tell it to, and I tell it to every single night. This last plague, couple of days ago, I got lucky, there were too many e-mail alerts, things were slowing down suspiciously, anyway, I did a live update-- there were more virus definitions. Rescanned,and I'm still-- knock wood-- uninfected. I'm a Norton fan for life. I have ME and XP and they both have Go Back features, some of these worms and viruses attack those files first! That's what killed me last time, I could not revert to a previous state. I don't think this is all that off-topic, posers do lots of download. I was looking at begging Rocity and DAZ for tons, no days, no, weeks! of redownloads if I was infected. Emily