questor, youre being really thickheaded about this :) i challenge you, even with using my original lighting set as a reference, to recreate my light set. - unless you actually check the numeric data of the dials, or duplicate the file, there is no way you can independantly create a set that is so near identical. do you understand that even if you do not take into account the exact position of the lights, that there are virtually limitless combinations as to the ORIENTATION of those 24 lights? as in.. light 1 is on the upper left, light 2 below it, light 3 is lower right, etc etc. unless you reverse engineered the original, it would be next to impossible for you to just get the ORDER the same. i really hate circular arguments, so ill try once again to explain this in laymans terms: were NOT talking about an IDEA here. the global illumination emulation IDEA for poser is a relatively old one, and there are about a dozen products in freestuff and the daz and renderosity marketplaces that utilize this as a basis. and if you open the products, they are very similar - a dozen or two of very low intensity lights arranged in a spherical pattern around the scene. this is the IDEA. and this is what you believe cannot be coprighted, and i fully agree. what were talking about here is not the IDEA. its the DATA. a light set like this is a very elaborate set of data, of code. yes, it is dial settings, dials to which any poser user has access. however, the insane complexity of it, and the virtual identical nature of 'bebop's light set are copyright infringement. i believe that at what point complexity of data entitles it to copyright protection is debatable in court. so if i take the default poser lighting, rotate the grey light to the right by 10 degrees, it doesnt make it copyrightable. but there comes a point where the data becomes so complex that it canot be reproduced by mere coincidence. just like literature. i can write a sentence. its not copyrightable. 'the little red dog ran down the hole after the rabbit'. i cant copyright that, because its so simple that millions of people could coincidentally string together the same words. however, if i write a poem, or a novel, they are HIGHLY copyrightable, because the likelihood of someone reproducing that exactly lessens with each word added. cheers, -gabriel