Oh, dear. It looks like someone simply used a smoothing function to get more vertices to push around. In addition to the insult about the DAZ modelers being in grade school when Tom was modeling (someone obviously has never met Dan and Chris), we also have an injury revolving around a probably plagierized model. ::shake head sadly:: I agree that the worst is taking advantage of good people and endangering their reputations. Traveler is a nice guy and incredibly generous; I hope his feelings don't get hurt. We tend to trust each other as we hope that others trust us. This is sorry news, but we need to know. Thank you. Carolly