Dan Farr Let's put the geometry issues aside for a moment. IS DAZ claiming that the proportions of the P4 Female and the Millenium figures are DAZ intellectual property? If I were modeling a from scratch human female model(something I've already done) I would specifically make it to fit all the existing P4 or Millenium clothing and props. When I made my models I took 2D orthogonal renders and then made my geometry fit the body proportions. Now I've made my own hands, feet, face etc without reference to the 3D geometry but have kept the proportions the same. Even if I hadn't, all I would have to do is make a Morph that I could call P4 Body Proportions or Millenium Body Proportions. Thanks in advance for your comment.