Oh dear, this just seems to be my day for chiming in on controversy. Rena, you do what you have to do, girl, I know where to find you and I know how to send other folks your way. Now, for the rest of you. Rena and Steve have been here since day one. They provided a wealth of items for free for absolutely YEARS until their bandwidth costs became so great that they actually had to close down their sites. Well, such an uproar over that let me tell you. Every other post, it seems, was someone begging them to find another way. Gods forbid we should lose our single largest supply of freestuff other than Renderosity. So, they considered their options and they went the subscription route. Are they making money hand over fist? I sincerely doubt it. Are they in competition with Renderosity? Not on your life. As for posting a link to the subscription site, well, guess what, part of the TOS for PWFW FORBIDS its members from giving out the URL for the subscription area. Members of PWFW are required to direct people to the FREE site, where they can either download the free items of the week/month OR they can choose to buy a subscription. I'm telling you here and now, if Rena and Steve leave over this we will be losing possibly one of the top three greatest resources available to Poser. And I, for one, will miss those wonderful SITE UPDATE announcements Rena posts here among the usual drek of the Poser forum. Every time I see one of Rena's posts it's a rare treat, and to think it will be going away because they were forced to go "commercial" in order to continue to provide our greedy selves with the high quality items we took so much for granted, well, it breaks my heart, that's what it does, and it makes me wonder if there really IS any hope for this so-called community. Kate (becoming more disillusioned by the second lately)