Oh well, I was ignoring the hype when I got her. I was just wanting another character to work with since I have used all the Daz ones. I was hoping for a challenge to learn how to make skin textures for a model that I hadn't tried before. The worst thing about this is that I was thrilled that I was able to use the P4 versions of some of the hair I bought (the Vicki ones that included P4 settings) with only minor adjustments. I guess if I had ever actually used the P4 woman, I would have had a heads up. But when I started in this, it was January and I bought Poser, Vicki, Mike and Carrara right off the bat as my learning tools, so I really never used anything from the original Poser package, Vicki and Mike (and then Steph) were more than enough to keep me busy learning. I guess Amy has done that now too, because I sure learned something. =( Oh, well, it could have been a whole lot worse than just $50 Excuse me while I go cry on Steph's shoulders (hehe) JDexter P.S. Should I even think about Dina-V or whatever the model is that can use Vicki's clothing?