There has never been a post by us "advertising" all posts have been a simple PWFW has been updated statement so using the advertisment angle falls on dead ground, post showing are work at worst have the statement "to be included on the next update" and some have nothing so from that i think this is as Rena says just a push out the competion ploy...Which brings me to my next point it was stated that outside vendors where welcome to show there works here so if you now decided that this wasn't a good idea then why the hell didn't you get intouch with us so we could work something out together instead of a sly push in the back....We work with other folks to try and bring sites together and help our members and help the folks we work with, if i sound vague its coz i'm avoiding names as this isn't anyone elses problem but PWFW and R ....Then theres the issue of the product showcase forum too, i was never happy with us being shoved over there, it was to me a "you've served your purpose now go away approach" anyone complaining could have been simply told that the store was what paid for the site to stay up....I've said in a few posts where folks don't agree with the site policy that its there site and we must do as they wish, but maybe this is no longer 100% true seeing the vendors pay for the upkeep (i know i know its the customers, but no vendors = no customers) so maybe its time they listened to the vendors..But what REALLY pissed me off, and i hate to drag this all up again but when we had this row at the PFO (we obeyed there posting rules to the letter but the last one was removed for being commercial) but it turns out the real reason they gave was coz we had put a support item in the renderosity store.....And NOW renderosity do the same thing...kinda ironic i guess .......Steve