OK, the way I see it is this: The difference between a "Commercial" site and a "Subscription" site is that with a "Commercial" site, the money goes into the owner's pocket. They make a profit. They do it to earn money. With a "Subscription" site, no one profits. Money doesn't go into anyone's pocket. No one makes money from it. It's all funneled into supporting the servers in order to host the site. So, folks, let's get this straight: Subscription sites are NOT commerical. They should not be considered commercial in any way. No one is getting anything out of it except the people who come to get the items that area offered. It just amazes me that every Poser and 3D site I've been a member of has sooner or later gone this way. It's always just a matter of time before the admins and moderators become control freaks. That's what happened with the original PFO. That was a sad loss, all because of the controlling nature of the folks who ran it. They stuck their heads in the noose and pulled it too tight, strangling themselves in the process. That's what will happen here if they aren't careful. I can only hope that Rena and Steve will still post their updates in the Poser Forum. That's where it belongs, for crying out loud, it's all Poser related stuff. If you can't display Poser things in the Poser Forum, then there's definitely something wrong here. Just my little rant. I'll sit back and be quiet now. Melanie