"I've just got to disagree with you, zardoz." That's an old news and I guess live will get kind of boring the day you agree with me :]. Seriously, as for the manipulation, I can't see how anybody could have influence on the vote if the committee is announced with or after the nomination. As for the complains, well, both of us stated more than one time, that people who can't stand the heat shouldn't post in a certain forum. ;) Same applies to the committee, nobody is forced to join in, and if one is too sesible for this job it's better to skip it in honor than to hide oneself behind an "anonymous committee". A member/mod/admin who is too sensible and don't do the job for this reason will have all my respect, a member who needs to hide behind an anonymous committee or a clone account, well................. fill in what's politically correct here these days. ::evil grin:: " I've been on the other side of the fence as well for almost two years." Yeah, wish you still were, then at least I don't had to drink my (virtual) beer now in a pub without a roof. ;) As for the history that Jeff mentioned, maybe it's a good idea to get Willow back. As far as I got it, at least she was able to run a site in a totalitarian way without getting utterly absurd. ;) cheers Thomas