If I go to the store and buy something for me to wear in my work is it wrong because I didn't sew it? Some of us use these models like they were real representitives, not just to create "art" with. If there are some of you that don't think Poser should be used to create "art" why are you here? I get real tired of this thread coming up over and over again. If you think that to buy stuffage for your characters and use it isn't art then you should also not use Poser at all, you should put your wacom pads away and pick up your old set of crayons, inks, pencils, charcoals, paints or whatever and quit using the computer, or at least not start out with a character at all. Get a modeling program and do your own characters and clothing and props and lights. I use what I have to to get MY creations where I want them to go. If I have to buy a prop, so be it. But please don't come in here and expect me to justify myself to you because of the tools I use to create what I want to see. Methinks Phantast protests too much. Marque