thanks I'll look into it.. I think I've got paint shop somewhere.. it came bundled with my computer.. HANDY :) I'm a few years away from professional btw.. I only got a hold of my pooter about a couple o months ago :) ... but I'm glad to find so many resources available for poeple like me who have always wanted to try their hand at CG art, rendering and animation :) Thanks again.. dolphy.. :)