Hi, Ron said: >If you follow the argument or thoughts, then Poser, and >its supporting companies and community exist for something >that is not art. To which my reply is: "If they're doing it for any other reason than money, the mythical "bottom line" then they're dumber than they look" I'm not an artist, never have been, never will be. But the older I get the more interested I get in money. Not in owning it, spending it, or accumulating it. But the "secret life" of the the thing itself. I watch CNBC I read the FT, and the more I learn, the more I realise that while it's nice to like your job, in business, profit, and growing your market share is all that counts. One of the best ways to do this, is of course to build great products that people want to buy. But neither Renderosity nor Daz or CL exist for our amusement. We pay, they provide. Commerce, not art, (especially commerce driven by us hobbyists) is what all this is here for. Which being a nascent capitalist is an idea I'm happy to embrace. While it continues to pay off, we get to enjoy ourselves, and even those who only buy the program, (some not even that) get to share in the knowledge and "community" that exist around Poser. But in that we are like the creatures that live in thermal vents. If the vent stops, we die. Look at any technology that failed to reach it's potential, be it Betamax, Dreamcast, BeOS, etc. to see what happens when the money dries up. If "Vicky in a temple, naked, with sword/helmet" is a "price" for my fun, so be it. The more people that buy, render and post, the stronger "they" get, the longer we live... Works for me! :) later jb