heyas; one thing: you can't say a subscription site is non commercial. poserworld went to subscription format to support bandwidth costs alone. that's only one example. what's that site/group you can subscribe to for like $500 a year and get all the models? (is it the de espona site?) that's a subscription, and that is NOT non-profit. if you need to pay to get the models (pay the model price, pay a subscription price, pay a membership fee), then i agree with the definition 'commercial site.' maybe it should read 'for pay' site, if that is more clear. i think (i COULD be wrong) you are all over-reacting to the no-commercial linking in the poser forum rule. or else the rule is over-stated. heck, in poserforum, you ARE allowed to direct a member to a commercial site (with full link), if the product/site answers their question or need. (unless of course, the link is to renderosity, but we won't get into THAT.) so, charging in and starting a topic like BUY MY STUFF: bad. answering something like 'where can i get a ____' with your commercial site (or anybody else's): okay. if that interpretation is wrong, then something's a little screwy with the tos. as to why the 'advertising' stuff was moved to a separate forum; i believe the main reason was the volume of posts being generated on the poser forum. yes, it might be helpful for newbies to learn who's selling what, but the volume of posts was rather burying the 'help me make poser work' newbie questions. i don't like being shoved into the showcase forum, either, but i have to admit the avalanche in the poser forum section was getting to be too much. the advertising tag idea might work. but people would still have to scroll through the pages of advertising messages, trying to find their non-ad help. so i dunno.