But I don't see subscription sites as "commerical" because they (well, PoserWorld at any rate, and I'm sure others, too) don't "cash in" on the profits. Their subscription fees go to bandwidth, not to a tri-level home in the country with a Porsche in the driveway (or whatever). Commercial, in my opinion, is when someone's bank account gets larger from the money coming in. I don't think Steve and Rena are getting rich from the subscriptions fees. Just another two cents worth. Melanie