While I understand how much we all want P5 to be "polished" to a high gloss before release I think we also all know how quickly the 3D world is changing. There are many factors in keeping a system like Poser competative and in a leadership position in the market - especially with the market shifting. My point is that there is simply no luxur to have a release be infinitely delayed. There WILL be bugs, there WILL be problems - the issue is, do the new features and abilities compensate for the inevitable problems with a major release. The folks at Curious labs understand this I am sure - I know they will deliver us a product that is ready - but I am also pretty sure they know that there is a HUGE void here and that they need to fill it before someone else does. I will forgive a fair number of problems in P5 if I need to to make sure that Curious and Poser stay in the lead in this area.