I will attmept to adress you all one by one. Bonestructure: there is no ground plane Boney, that is why it mixes with the sky so well. Remember, just the castle, nothing else, well I ment it. Rosh: I think I haeve adressed the pinched file problem in my next version, if you are talking about what I think you are talking about. Jim: Back then jimmy, they didn't have guns, but yeah I have adressed that as well. And as for all my generic problems: Well they just seemed to stop, dont know why and don't care to find out and jynx it or what not. I may on the other hand do the clean install do I don't screw myself over All: Thanks for all the advice, help kind words etc... Tempest