All I can say is WOWWW. Of course I don't mind! Thats what Renderosity and these forums is all about. Plus it gives me a chance to learn. Now on THAT note would you (or could you) send me the photoshop image you created to do above. That way I can dissect the layers and history buffers to see what you did step by step. I am hoping that you didn't delete it. How much time (approx) did you put in? I really like the interaction between the rocks and water on left fall. Thanks and send me Pshop doc if you can. thunderdon