It gets more and more mysterious then with some getting fast dloads and some getting slow ones, ...I'm not making excuses Marque as the membership increases we improve the bandwidth, this year we have moved PWFW over to a dedicated server of its own, added T1s and rented partial ones but its all about matching income with outcome....Now Rena and i don't deal with this stuff Allen runs all that, but i believe we pay $12000 a year per T1 line (which is pretty cheap as they go http://www.howstuffworks.com/question372.htm ) so you can see to add more would make a need to put the cost of membership up which we are reluctant to do hence the rental of partial ones as and when we can afford them...to check if you have a problem in the pipline (in win2k i'm not sure of other os,s) go to the command prompt and type in ping www.thewebsite.com....Steve