The point was, I'll guess, that Steve was having a bit of fun with us, heavily tongue in cheek - he DOESN'T need to have a naked dame in his renders to get our attention, he gets it anyway, but he put Vicki in for the hell of it. And that's the way it should be. A lighter vein, a little irony, a little tongue in cheek goes a long, long way. Doesn't it? :o] Believe me, my name 'FishNose' doesn't have its origins in Monty Python for nothing.... :] FishNose