I think they have bad coat Karma. Remember the wierd artifacts on the suitcoat? I'm gonna try on my old 98 machine. I tried on ME with IE6-- which I loathe and abhor, is there any way to turn back the clock on that one and get an earlier model?????? I also hate Netscape. I'm just a bundle of love tonight. LOL. So it takes few days, Daz always fixes problems. Emily it's too darn cold to do poser anyway-- I'm freezing in CA