Thanks casamerica, I certainly hope someone can benefit from this. Scarab, I like cats, but I don't own one. I'm something of a horror film expert, and I can get alot scarier than this, but I have no CG modeling ability. I have to do it all with lighting, textures, and other people's morphs and props. I did monster make-up puppets,masks, etc. for several years, so it's in my blood. Usually I'm so clueless in Poser compared to everyone that I can't believe I blundered into something that nobody tried. -Talos the Long-Winded (looking up polycythemia)