Hiram, Praxis has found some really nasty little tell-tale applets which get installed with other, useful programs or files. (You might check his spyware threads in OT Forum.) We tell our anti-virus program to suspend activity during the installation process... and usually have no way of checking to see what ELSE is being installed, especially if it is hidden in some dark corner. We on Macs have some protection... although the unix core of OSX is going to open us up to certain vulnerabilities. Hey, Entropic... did you run any installation scripts such as VISE during the day or two before this happened? Carolly