DbS thankyou :O) but I have got the intesity and shadows just about right, what I am trying to do is downsize the actual light object to fit inside the light(prop). :O) btw ask about the lights in Bryce in the Bryce forum with Attn: FastTraxx and I'll bet he'll tell ya what ya need to know or drop by the #propsguild in mIRc sometime and catch him there maybe. :O) Sprout