And if you are a Mac user, you can get the Full version of Poser 3 in a Computer Arts mag. Also at B&N. And you can get a great compliment to Carrara free with 3D world, Pixels 3.7. I have found the modeler in Pixels to be quite exceptional. They also released there latezt V4.0 which supports OS X and many new features. Competition is good, it makes programs better and cheaper. PAG