Thanks everyone, for the compliments and comments.. Agreed, bushes and such around the moat would look good, but I do not want to render this again. Again, tempest, I agree with the fact that the moat is a bit thin, but the drawbridge has to be able to reach across it, and, well, it's as thick as possible for the length of the drawbridge... It is wider than it looks at this angle, though. Hmm... bonestructure, care to point me in the direction of this first best castle? I'd love the chance to pick up ideas... The 2nd mountain idea, also, would be nice, except I doubt I'm going to do another castle for a while. Eric, I made the castle in 3ds max r3, and rendered it in Bryce 4. Tempest, it took maybe 2 1/2 hours, which for me is forever, as I have no patience or life outside of my computer. Also, since much of what I was doing was little details, I had to render multiple times in the course of working on it so as to see if the effect I sought was working. Really, my system was crying while I was working with the trees and everything. I could literally hear it, so I think forest scenes are no-no's for me with bryce for now. All in all, I'm happy with the overall outcome, so I'm adding this to my web page gallery as-is, probably sometime tomorrow. I'm also gonna post this up in the gallery in a moment, so I expect everyone to go give me a rating. Thanks everyone! Rosh