Thanks for the info Rosh. At times I live in my computer as well! A question though. Having 3ds max r3 (A VERY expensive program) why render in Bryce? I have Strata SS Pro and although some of the modelling features are behind the times (it used to be a "high end" program but has not been updated for a couple of years) the rendering quality (advanced raytracing, radiosity, etc) is still high end according to reviews. Unfortunately, I have not had much success getting Poser textures to render well in SSPRo-so I use Bryce4 for rendering. Is that the case for you as well? I read somewhere that the modeling features in Max are top flight-but rendering perhaps not? It would be nice to have one Program that would be terrific at modeling, character creation, landscapes and terrain, animation-and High end for realistic renders-of course there is MAYA-for the price of a compact car! :-) Eric Walters