FWIW: Curious Labs does indeed own the rights to their proprietary file formats. Just the same as discreet and alias wavefront, etc. This is why there is no way to export from poser to .max, or from 3ds to .pz3 . OTOH these companies all have made public domain formats which they allow folks to use freely. Hence, while Poser can't export to .max, they can export to .3ds, and while 3ds max will likely never export to .pz3, it can export to .obj. A similar idea is the .mp3 files that everyone's familiar with. .mp3 format is copyrighted and write protected. The folks who developed it do in fact charge for the right to be able to play it. Meaning, windows media player, creative sb live!, and intel's portable .mp3 players are all licensed to be allowed to make the format readable. Did I get that one right, Steve? *8^> Regards, Paul