not to be an ass... but really, until this is 'taken to the mat' and people let companies say what they can do or cant do I guess the interpretation you supply will be the rule. there are simple too many gray areas in this whole thing. I can point at MANY clothing meshes that use 'dirivatives' to make them..but since you have to have the 'person' model for them to do any good, well thats ok. but if you dare take the same exact steps to create a person..then its not ok. standard practice in modeling is by image or 'stretching' a mesh over another. Want examples of this? I'd be happy to point you at them. In fact, if I were a betting man..I'd say that amy's body was made this way. It looks like a nurbs mesh was stretched over posette, and since it was too hard to make the hands, they were just tacked on. Someday, someone will take this to the point where decisions will be forced. The law and logic have never seen eye to eye on any occasion. examples? where does it say I can cut my girlfriend's neck and that of her fried, string blood all over the place, and get away with it? where does it say 20 cops can beat a man into submission, be videotaped and get away with it? where does it say you can whop off your husbands thing, sling it out the car window..and not go to jail? where does it say that my childhood neighbors could lose 10 acres of land just because they live out of state now? where does it say that jesus was guilty of any crime? tis a debate probably best left somewhere else, but as illustrated...until something is pressed, you never know where it'll go. If I was jim and the mesh was indeed original, I'd have fought and forced a ruling. I guess he's just nicer than me :P I anxiously await the day this is all actually put to the test. Someday it will be. BT